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Bye-bye, Cy (again)! Tribe Nuclear Winter Begins
Written by Kirk Lammers   
Wednesday, 29 July 2009 16:13


Photo: Cleveland.com/Jon Fobes

Did you plan on attending a Tribe game in October any of the next four seasons? If you did, this is a heads-up that you can make other plans. The Indians have officially thrown in the towel, backed the truck up, dug the hole and covered themselves up with dirt, phoned it in, and called the time of death on the 2010, 2011, and likely 2012 seasons. They will be buried next to the '09 season in the Curse Of Cleveland graveyard. The seasons are survived by far less fans than they had originally.

For the second straight season, the Cleveland Indians have made a July trade sending away the defending AL Cy Young Award winner for prospects. They added their everyday leftfielder in Ben Francisco to the deal. In return, the Indians will receive four of Philadelphia's Top 10 prospects according to Baseball America. But, they all have incredibly obvious drawbacks, and none are considered a blue-chip prospect, something you should expect when trading a Cy Young winner with a year and a half left under contract. Call it what you want (Shapiro Rebuild 2.0, Nuclear Winter, Slash and Burn, The Trade), but it signals the next phase in the vicious cycle that is small-market Major League Baseball business.

I was anticipating that the Tribe was going to trade Cliff Lee. What I did not expect was them doing so without receiving a stud prospect that everyone could at least rally around. With the Sabathia deal, it was Matt LaPorta. For Casey Blake, it was Carlos Santana. They even got solid returns at first glance for Betancourt, DeRosa, and Garko in my opinion. But, this trade is a nightmare any way that you dissect it. Here's the initial reaction, and no doubt it is quite bitter, but bear with me while I try to pick up the pieces of my fanhood.

The Lee-Francisco returns are RHP Carlos Carrasco (ranked #2 in B.A.), C Lou Marson (ranked 3rd), SS Jason Donald (4th), and RHP Jason Knapp (10th).

Carrasco is a 22-year-old righty that is currently at Triple-A. This year at Lehigh Valley, he is 6-9 with a 5.18 ERA in 20 starts. In 114 2/3 innings, he has 118 hits, 38 walks, and 112 strikeouts. Basically, he has been hit hard, but he has a decent walk total per nine innings and solid strikeout numbers. Last year, Carrasco between AA and AAA was 9-9 with a 3.69 ERA in 151 1/3 innings. According to Baseball America, he has a 91-94 mph fastball that has late life and can reach 96. He also has a plus-changeup and an average curveball that at times is considered a plus pitch. Consistency is his drawback right now. Carrasco was rumored to be involved in the center of trade talks for Jays' ace Roy Halladay, but the Jays wisely turned that deal down.

Marson is a 23-year-old right-handed catcher also currently at Triple-A Lehigh Valley. This season, in 211 at-bats, he is batting at a .294 clip with 1 homer and 24 RBI. He is also 4-for-17 with the Phillies this season as well. He was said to be the Phillies' starting catcher of the future, and he is probably ahead of Akron Aero Carlos Santana in development currently. He has good discipline, but he is not known for having much power. Last season, his numbers were .314 with 5 homers and 46 RBI at Double-A. While Marson has an average throwing arm at best for a catcher, he is known for being a good receiver with the ability to still throw out baserunners at a 37 percent clip last year thanks to a quick transfer.

Donald, 24, plays shortstop at Lehigh Valley. In 208 ABs, he is hitting just .236 this season with 1 homer and 16 RBI. Last season, he performed well at Double-A Reading, sporting a .307 average with 14 souvenirs and 54 RBI. The 3rd round pick of the '06 draft is developing some power and is an above-average baserunner (just 35 career steals in the minors, though). The big mark against this guy is that he can't stay at shortstop defensively (my, have we heard THAT before?). He will either be moved to second or third in all likelihood.

Knapp is thought to have the highest ceiling of the four players. The 18-year-old righthanded fireballer has hit 97 mph, and there is talk that he could develop into a guy that can crack triple digits at times with the heater. He was Philadelphia's 2nd round pick in last year's draft, and he's 2-7 with a 4.01 ERA at Single-A Lakewood in 85 1/3 innings. He does, however, have a whopping 111 strikeouts in those 85 1/3 innings. He walks four guys per nine innings though, which is above average. Knapp is developing a curve, slider, and change as well. He is currently on the disabled list with right shoulder tendinitis. He is the key to the deal in many people's minds, mine included.

The main reason this deal rubs me the wrong way is that it is no doubt a SALARY DUMP. Buster Olney has reported that Shapiro has been ordered to dump salary for next season. Bruce Drennan estimates that the payroll will be in the high 50 millions or low 60 millions next season. Lee and his hefty contract were prime trade material. Virtually every person with any knowledge of these prospects absolutely hates this deal for the Tribe, so why should I be any different?

Dolan is afraid to spend any money because the Indians are likely taking a bath financially. He NEEDS to sell the team if he is going to slash and burn a payroll that was only 14th in the league at season's beginning. The team has parted with the pro-rated versions of DeRosa's contract ($5.5 million in all), Garko's ($450k, eligible for arbitration of ~$2.5 million next year), Betancourt's ($3.4 million, with a $5 million team option for next year), and now Lee's ($6 million, option of $9 million next year).

The Indians are going full-go into a massive rebuilding project, much like the one that began with the dealing of another ace (Bartolo Colon in 2002). It took two wasted seasons ('03 & '04) for the Tribe to come close to the postseason in 2005, choking in the final week. You should expect that same type of curve here. I'm telling you right now; forget about 2010 and 2011. In 2012, perhaps the Indians can rebound and expect to be contenders.

If you ask me though, it looks like we traded Cy Young and our leftfielder for a setup man, a number five starter, a backup catcher, and a super utility infielder. Kudos, Shapiro! You had one of the two best trade pieces on the market with a year and a half on his contract, and you couldn't get one blue chip prospect, not one. Throwing in Ben Francisco, who I do think will be a solid fourth outfielder if not fringe starter, for no reason whatsoever. This deal would have stunk to high heaven without including Ben. At least he didn't have to stay in Cleveland more than one day after losing his buddy Ryan Garko.

Shapiro said in his press conference that he expects to have the three Triple-A guys helping them compete next year, and I'll tell you THAT is a load of CRAP! He says that the main reason they decided to make this move was that they couldn't add anything to this team for next year, and he also said that he has not been instructed to dump payroll; that TOO is a load of CRAP. He likes the core, and he mentioned several of those guys in the majors and minors. One name missing... was Victor Martinez. You can read the writing on the wall for that one.

The team and its ownership fully deserves the hailstorm of wrath that they will feel from this decision, including the bottom dropping out of attendance (already estimated to hit below 2 million) and absolute disbelief and verbal abuse from their fanbase. I truly hope this causes Larry Dolan to wind up flat broke and forced to sell the team, where the Indians may have half a chance with an owner that is willing to spend money to make money.

The thing that everyone seems to forget about is that Major League Baseball is economically flawed to the core. The mid-market and small-market teams don't have a true chance to compete year after year. When the New York Yankees can boast a payroll more than twice the one that Cleveland can afford, teams in small and mid markets are playing against a stacked deck. Baseball NEEDS a salary cap, or it will always be the New Yorks, Los Angeleses, Chicagos, and Bostons sitting at the top year after year after year. Meanwhile, the Clevelands, Kansas Citys, Cincinnatis, Tampa Bays, Pittsburghs, and Milwaukees will struggle to make the playoffs once a decade.

In closing, I really feel for the Tribe fans during the fallout of this deal. But, I am hoping if nothing else that this decision will bring about the end of a managerial career, new ownership, and an era, much like the mid-90s where Indians baseball is relevant once again.

Wake me up in three years! (Or tomorrow/Friday when they trade Victor Martinez)

Kirk

Comments (6)Add Comment
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written by al, July 30, 2009
the tribe got screwed on the lee deal.the indians need to fire the general manager, manager and coaches.dolan needs to sell the team, he cant afford owning it.its no wander no one goes to there games
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written by Hermie13, July 30, 2009
Don't get me wrong, I think we should have gotten more for Lee (and Francisco...though he had little value)....but people are going overboard.


First off, how does this deal hurt our chances of competing in 2011? Lee would be GONE then no matter what. This actually helps our chances to compete in 2011. It definitely hurts (and likely kills) our chances of competing next year, 2010, but this is a move that will help moving forward.

Francisco was a 4th OFer at best for this club (or any club really other than the Padres maybe), so giving him up doesn't really hurt. Crowe is a better OFer and has more speed. Should completment LaPorta and Weglarz in the OF if he's not shipped out as well.
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written by Hermie13, July 30, 2009
Carrasco, Knapp, and ONE of Marson/Donald was what I thought we were gonna get for Lee and would of been happy with.

Why you ask? Because I thought for sure Taylor was gonna be the 4th guy as originally reported. Very, very disappointed he was not.....but we still did get a 'nice' haul....though far from great.

Not sure why people are upset about Donald's SS defense. Last I checked AC was there so we don't need a SS, we need a 2B. Donald is more highly rated than Valbuena and could be the starting 2B for the next 5 years. Or he could be a utility guy....hard to say right now. He was the BEST hitter in the AFL last fall though, even better than Hodges was.

Marson is the headscratcher.....part of me thinks he'll be traded before the start of next season. He still is one of the 10 best catchers in the minor leagues....so a team (like the Red Sox) could be interested in him.

Carrasco has the goods....remember that Bucholz had an ERA over 5 in AAA last year. He's young and struggling at AAA. No denying he's got great stuff and we need K-guy in the rotation.
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written by Hermie13, July 30, 2009
Carrasco has the goods....remember that Bucholz had an ERA over 5 in AAA last year. He's young and struggling at AAA. No denying he's got great stuff and we need K-guy in the rotation.

Knapp reminds me a lot of a young Adam Miller.....both good and bad. He's got AMAZING stuff. Even better than Kyle Drabek. Problem is, he's got a delivery that could lead to arm issues down the line (much like Miller). If he can remain healthy (obviously a big 'if'), he could be an Ace by 2012 and make everyone forget about not getting Drabek.

I'm not sold on Drabek either.....he's only 6'0". There aren't a ton of 6'0" and smaller righties that perform well in the MLs as starters. Lincecum....but he's a freak of nature. Maddux did it....but one of hte greatest pitchers ever. Volquez is only 6'0"...but the jury is still out on him. Cueto is a nice 5'10" guy...but again, the jury is still out.

Knapp is 6'5" and could even see MORE speed added to his already 98 mph fastball. This could go down as a better trade than the 2002 deal....
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written by Hermie13, July 30, 2009
Knapp is 6'5" and could even see MORE speed added to his already 98 mph fastball. This could go down as a better trade than the 2002 deal....
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written by curseofcleveland, July 30, 2009
It hurts the Tribe from competing in 2011 because they have absolutely no ready
and able core. Who exactly impresses you on
this team? I'm assuming that they
are trading Victor when I say I don't think
they'll compete for three
years.

Other than Sizemore (okay, and Choo I guess),
who in the hell wows you
on this team or has star ability?

'Nice' isn't how I
would describe this haul.
I'm intrigued by the pitching, but I still think they
could and SHOULD have
gotten more for Cy Young for 1.5 years. If Carrasco becomes a 3 starter, THAT'S
NOT ENOUGH! Knapp is the key, and he needs to be our closer of the future for
this to be a decent deal.

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